Agenda and minutes

Planning Committee
Thursday, 23rd March, 2017 6.00 pm

Venue: Council Chamber, Penns Place, Petersfield, GU31 4EX. View directions

Contact: James Harris  Democratic Services Assistant - 01730 234098

Items
No. Item

189.

Apologies for Absence

Minutes:

Apologies were received from Councillors D Evans, D Orme, D Phillips and A Williams.

190.

Confirmation of Minutes

Please note that it is helpful if Councillors could give advance notice, to Democratic Services, of any questions they wish to raise in respect of the Minutes.

 

Minutes of the meeting held on 2 March 2017, circulated under separate cover.

Minutes:

The minutes of the meeting held on 2 March 2017 were confirmed as a correct record and signed.

191.

Chairman's Announcements

Minutes:

There were no chairman’s announcements.

192.

Declarations of Interest

Councillors are reminded of their responsibility to declare any disclosable pecuniary interest which they may have in any item of business on the agenda no later than when that item is reached.  Unless dispensation has been granted, you may not participate in any discussion of, or vote on, or discharge any function related to any matter in which you have a pecuniary interest as defined by regulations made by the Secretary of State under the Localism Act 2011.  You must withdraw from the room or chamber when the meeting discusses and votes on the matter.

Minutes:

Councillor(s)

Item Number(s)

Nature of Interest

Details of Interest

Cllr I Thomas

 

 

 

 

 

Cllr I Thomas

 

56027/001/FUL/LW – Land West of Brambles, Willis Lane, Four Marks, Alton.

 

21763/004/ FUL/LTu – Westwood, 119 Lymington Bottom, Four Marks, Alton, GU34 5AH

Perception of bias

 

 

 

 

Perception of bias

 

Cllr Thomas had a previous interest in the land.

 

 

Cllr Thomas had requested to address the committee as a ward councillor and speak in objection to the application.

 

193.

Acceptance of Supplementary Matters pdf icon PDF 71 KB

Minutes:

Councillors noted the supplementary papers which included information received since the agenda had been published. These were reported verbally at the meeting and are attached as Annex A to these minutes.

194.

Future Items pdf icon PDF 48 KB

Minutes:

The committee did not resolve to undertake any site visits.

 

The Chairman left the room in accordance with her previous declarations of Interest. 

 

In the absence of the Vice-Chairman, the committee RESOLVED that

Cllr R Ayer Chair the meeting.

 

Cllr R Ayer took the Chair.

195.

Report of the Head of Planning

Minutes:

The Report of the Head of Planning was considered and it was RESOLVED that:

 

Application No., Site and Description:

Resolution:

 

56027/001/FUL

 

Land West of Brambles, Willis Lane, Four Marks, Alton

 

Use of land for the stationing of caravans for residential purposes and the formation of hardstanding and dayrooms (as amplified by emails dated 23/12/16 & 1/2/17)

 

Permission subject to conditions as set out in Appendix A.

 

21763/004/FUL

 

Westwood, 119 Lymington Bottom, Four Marks, Alton, GU34 5AH

 

Detached dwelling

 

Refused for the reason as set out in Appendix B.

 

35364/002/FUL

 

Land to the north of, Ramshill, Petersfield, GU314AT

 

276 DWELLINGS WITH ASSOCIATED WORKS  INCLUDING GARAGES, PARKING, ACCESS AND DEMOLITION OF 44 & 46 RAMSHILL (AS AMPLIFIED BY TRANSPORT ASSESSMENT RECEIVED 05/02/2002, NOISE AND VIBRATION REPORTS RECEIVED 24/04/2002 & 2/5/02,  PLANT LIST, ECOLOGICAL APPRAISAL, PLANTING PLAN RECEIVED 01/05/2002, LANDSCAPE MANAGEMENT PLAN RECEIVED 26/04/2002 AS AMENDED BY PLANS RECEIVED 30/04/2002, 16/05/2002 AND 19/12/2002)

 

Report noted.

 

196.

PART 1 - East Hampshire District Council - Applications and related planning matters to be determined or considered by the Council as the local planning authority pdf icon PDF 96 KB

Additional documents:

197.

56027/001/FUL/LW - Land West of Brambles, Willis Lane, Four Marks, Alton pdf icon PDF 5 MB

Mr & Mrs Hughes

 

Use of land for the stationing of caravans for residential purposes and the formation of hardstanding and dayrooms (as amplified by emails dated 23/12/16 & 1/2/17)

Minutes:

Use of land for the stationing of caravans for residential purposes and the formation of hardstanding and dayrooms (as amplified by emails dated 23/12/16 and 1/2/17)

 

The Planning and Compliance Manager introduced the item and displayed an aerial photograph of the site, along with photographs of the site, access and street scene.  She explained the previous application, 56027, in detail and confirmed that the pitches would be for general use by the gypsy and traveller community, rather than for named occupiers.

 

She referred the committee to the supplementary matters sheet which contained a revised landscaping condition and an additional condition relating to contamination.  

 

The recommendation was for permission. 

 

Mrs Tomlinson spoke on behalf of objectors to the application.

 

Objectors requested that the committee refused permission for this application on five main points.

 

This was not a sustainable site.  Having benefited from a site visit, the committee would have appreciated the sites lack of sustainability.  The site was on a country lane, with no paved footpaths within a mile and no street lights until the A35 about 1.5 miles away.

 

It would be dangerous for a child to walk to the local primary school.  Access to shops and local transport were via a long and often precarious walk or require the use of a car.

 

A site nearer Four Marks amenities had not been accepted as a Strategic Housing Land Availability Assessment (SHLAA) site on the grounds of sustainability.  Objectors failed to see why this should be viewed differently for a traveller’s site.

 

The National Planning Policy Framework (NPPF) required a balance between all groups in the community, with applications of this nature not dominating the local community.  With two traveller sites already located in Willis Lane and within a few hundred yards of each other, an extension to this site would result in five sites in a lane with only 20 houses.  This would have a disproportionate impact on the settled community. 

 

As the committee had seen, there had been a significant impact on the local amenity.  Building rubble dumped in the entrance, grass verge removed, mud banks created and hedging removed.  The work to date had not been sympathetic to reduce the impact and ensure the work was less intrusive.

 

The latest evidence base, dated 2013, for the number of traveller sites required, was in the process of being updated.  This was being completed bilaterally with Winchester, who had a significant number of existing traveller sites.  The apparent lack of a five year supply might only be illusionary.  An update was due this year which would give a strong sense of the real gap, even if not adopted until a later date.  Any agreement at this stage could be considered premature.

 

The officer’s report stated that there was a lack of alternative traveller accommodation. However; the adjacent site was advancing, giving two pitches.

 

The applicants' first effort to provide travellers' sites in neighbouring Ropley had subsequently been sold to the local residents.

 

Janelands at the end of the lane  ...  view the full minutes text for item 197.

198.

21763/004/FUL/LTu - Westwood, 119 Lymington Bottom, Four Marks, Alton, GU34 5AH pdf icon PDF 578 KB

Mrs Halsey

 

Detached dwelling

 

 

Minutes:

Detached dwelling

 

The Planning Officer introduced the item and displayed an aerial photograph of the site, along with photographs of the site, access, the existing dwelling and other dwellings in the area.  Elevation plans of the existing and proposed dwellings were shown and he explained that the Settlement Policy Boundary ran along the southern part of the site.

 

The Planning Officer referred the committee to the supplementary matters sheet which contained a correction that the proposed dwelling would have five, rather than four bedrooms and the difference in maximum ridge height would be 0.319m, rather than 0.6m.  The supplementary matters also included additional conditions relating to floor levels, foul and surface water drainage and the use of porous materials for hard surfaces to prevent run-off.

 

The Parish Clerk, Mrs Goudie spoke on behalf of Four Marks Parish Council.

 

Their long list of objections to both this and the previously withdrawn application had been dismissed in the officer’s report in a single sentence.

Previous applications in this area of Four Marks had required the existing dwelling to be demolished and replaced with two new well spaced dwellings proportional to the whole site, as shown in the officer’s photographs.  The previous owner of Westwood had been advised in a pre-application meeting with EHDC officers that a new two storey dwelling at this edge of settlement site was unlikely to be approved.  What planning policies or guidance had changed to alter those requirements and advice?

 

This would be inappropriate overdevelopment of a residential garden, on a small triangular sub-plot and inadequate for the large size of the dwelling proposed.  This directly contravened Policy 1 of the adopted Medstead & Four Marks Neighbourhood Plan. 

 

The officer described the dwelling as chalet-style; it was actually a two storey house and not in keeping with the surrounding street scene.

 

The plot’s topography was such that any dwelling, let alone this one with a six metre plus ridge height, would have a dominant and imposing visual impact on local residents’ amenity and in the wider surrounding landscape.

 

The applicant had repeatedly tried to minimise this negative visual impact.  However, no matter how much they proposed to 'dig it in' to the slope, suggest screening existed, or compared the ridge height to the top of the current dwellings gable, from experience elsewhere in the village it was known that this proposed dwelling would dominate the landscape from all aspects. 

 

The plans were inconsistent, the side by side comparisons of the two dwellings were clearly not to scale, or did the new property really have much smaller doors and windows than the current dwelling? 

 

The ridge heights varied from document to document to meet the needs of the applicant’s argument.  

 

As a gateway to Four Marks village and as it would stand on the edge of the Settlement Policy Boundary, there should be a sympathetic transition.

Approval for this application would change the rural character of this area of Four Marks, directly contravening Policy CP20.


Other important issues of increased  ...  view the full minutes text for item 198.

199.

35364/002 - Land to the north of Ramshill, Petersfield, GU31 4AT pdf icon PDF 535 KB

276 dwellings with associated works including garages, parking, access and demolition of 44 & 46 Ramshill (as amplified by Transport Assessment received 05/02/2002, noise and vibration reports received 24/04/2002 & 2/5/02,  plant list, ecological appraisal, planting plan received 01/05/2002, landscape management plan received 26/04/2002 as amended by plans received 30/04/2002, 16/05/2002 and 19/12/2002)

Minutes:

276 dwellings with associated works including garages, parking, access and demolition of 44 & 46 Ramshill (as amplified by transport assessment received 05/02/2002, noise and vibration reports received 24/04/2002 and 02/05/2002, plant list, ecological appraisal, planting plan received 01/05/2002, landscape management plan received 26/04/2002 as amended by plans received 30/04/2002, 16/05/2002 and 19/12/2002)

 

The Development Management Manager introduced the item. She explained that progress had been made and it was believed that an end-maintenance provider for Skinners Farm Lane had been found.  They however required confirmation from Hampshire County Council that a licence would not be required for surface water to drain on to Ramshill.  If this issue was resolved, Taylor Wimpey had confirmed that they would complete the necessary works to the lane and adjacent walls to provide a safe footpath.

 

The committee was pleased with the progress made and NOTED the officer’s report.